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Debate rages in Malaysia over possible yoga ban
Malaysia Sun Saturday 1st November, 2008 (IANS)
The possibility of a fatwa against yoga in Malaysia has triggered a debate among the clergy and scholars of different religions, besides doctors and yoga practitioners. The country's National Fatwa Council is, meanwhile, still to announce its stand on Muslims practising yoga.
Othman Mustapha, deputy director-general of operations at the Department of Islamic Development Malaysia (JAKIM), said that an announcement on the decision would be made by the council soon, The New Straits Times said Friday.
Zakaria Stapa, a lecturer of University of Kebangsaan's Islamic Studies Centre, had stated that yoga's origins could be traced back to Hinduism and its practice could cause Muslims to deviate from the teachings of Islam.
Hindus say it is for the instructors and practitioners to keep religion out in this purely personal pursuit, while doctors and practitioners too see no religion in it and said the youth were exploring yoga for their physical and mental well-being.
The Malaysian Muslim Solidarity Movement also said there was nothing wrong with Muslims practising yoga as an exercise.
'It is just an exercise for health and brings peace of mind. Nothing more than that. It has never been averse to the Islamic faith,' said its president Zulkifli Mohamad.
'This new fatwa is not healthy and yoga is a very subjective and debatable issue,' he added.
A Muslim woman, who has been a long-time yoga instructor, expressed shock and dismay over Stapa's statement.
Suleiha Merican, 56, who has been practising yoga for 40 years, said the meditation technique is a science of health and had nothing to do with religion.
'When we are strong in our faith, why would we want to deviate? The professor's statement is totally uncalled for,' she was quoted as saying in The New Straits Times.
'There is no conflict at all as yoga is not religion-based ... I would definitely encourage Muslims to practise yoga,' she added.
Merican noted that hospitals in Britain and the US offered yoga as alternative therapy.
'Every part of the world I have gone to there are Muslims who practise yoga, for instance in Iran,' she said.
Merican, who runs the Maya Yoga Studio in Damansara Perdana here, said yoga ran in the family as her father and grandfather were also yoga instructors.
According to The Star newspaper, there were 'mixed feelings on yoga' as apart from some Muslims, a few Christian groups also had reservations about it due to its ties to Hinduism.
Herman Shastri, general secretary of The Malaysian Council of Churches, said different churches hold different opinions on the practice of yoga.
'In modern society, many young people are interested in health and well-being of the mind and body.
'Some churches said it belonged to a different religion so Christians should not do it,' he said, adding that many churches held spiritual retreats that were opened to non-believers, featuring meditation to alleviate stress and help people seek spiritual comfort.
Malaysia Hindu Sangam president A. Vaithilingam said yoga had long been an accepted form of exercise in many countries regardless of religion and culture.
'Yoga practitioners can just leave out the religion and do the exercise. It's entirely up to the individual,' he said, adding that there were no restrictions that yoga practitioners had to be Hindus.
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| By Solaris, 11-01-08, 12:46 PM |
YogaZikir is also meditation for Muslims...the 5 times Prayer is a form of exercise for Muslims....if you didn’t perform the prayer maybe you need Yoga instead..... |
| By Irrational09, 11-01-08, 10:29 PM |
YogaWhen religion is used to justify perverse government -instituted social experiments such as bumiputra rights the result is rants from the likes of Solaris whose celebrated contributions to this forum lays bare the claim that bumiputraism raises a thinking and rational citizenry. Bravo. Let us fatwa the problem of thinking itself. |
| By Hassan Niknam, 11-02-08, 12:14 AM |
What next?What next? Ti Chee and Qi will be banned for Muslims. If Muslims have a strong faith they don’t need to be protected against other religions |
| By alsub, 11-01-08, 12:29 PM |
make good use of fatwaplease for goodness sake why not issue fatwas on drugs , corruption or the Mat Rempits . |
| By BRRRRRRRP, 11-01-08, 12:45 PM |
make easy WELL ! IT IS THAT SIMPLE > IF YOU WANT TO DO IT ,DO SO! IF YOU DON’T WANT TO DO IT LIKE zAKARIA STAPA NO BODY GOING TO HANG YOU TILL YOU DIE ! BUT JUST SHUT YOUR MOUTH FROM TELLING OTHERS NOT TO DO IT .NOW MY WORST FEAR IS THIS GOVERNMENT GOING TO IMPOSE A TOTAL BAN ON THIS YOGA PRACTISE ! WELL ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE NOW ADAYS ! |
| By sad123, 11-01-08, 10:17 AM |
Debate rages in Malaysia over possible yoga banBravo Datin Suleiha keep the Malaysians healthy. The Pope didn’t ban Yoga in Italy. Prof. Stapa let’s not let religion interfer with our health. I believe our M’sian Muslims are not stupid. |
| By Donwa, 11-01-08, 11:55 AM |
Yoga in an Islamic SocietyIt is unfortunate that inspite of all the disease, poverty and suffering which abounds in the World to-day, that Zakaria Stapa finds it necessary to pick on an innocent persuit which can do nothing but good in any society.Could not this lecturer concern himself with some issues which would be positive rather than totally negative |
| By jepalau, 11-01-08, 02:26 PM |
What?Fatwa the lecturer. What a boring life he must live to have time to abuse muslims with his idiotic ideas. If you want to fatwa something stop the use of tobacco and abuse of alcohol muslims are reading involved in. But why would one be against yoga when it is such a healthy thing to do. |
| By Solaris, 11-01-08, 03:30 PM |
Yogaalcohol is HARAM in ISLAM so everyone knew bout that...no need FATWA, muslims that is dumb and stupid will keep on consuming alcohol without regards for the religion. FATWA is issued when some action or practices can create doubts within ISLAMIC context...why in the hell they need FATWA if they already knew alcohol is HARAM?????????? |
| By kee, 11-02-08, 01:20 AM |
why muslims are so far behindwe muslims are so concerned on petty issus like khalwat and formed snoops squad for that.
some muslims even said it’s against islam to well-wish people of from non-islamic faiths on their holy or festive days days like christmas, diwali etc.
in kelantan they are more concerned about having different cash conter for men and women in depatment stores so no 'contact' between the oppsites sexes which lead to moral decay etc.
the latest is fatwa on tombyish behaviour and yoga. i wonder what kind of people are in these islamic bodies. do they study quran and hadith only and listening to opinion of people in their circle of peers only? do they really make any effort to have an in depth study of why people are tomboy or effeminate? have they really talked to these so-called tomboys or effeminate men and listen to their side of the story? have they ever gone down to the ground and talk to these people, the psychologists, sexologist or other expert on human behaviour. have they make an in depth study not just based on quran, hadith or opinion of other people in the islamic department? it’s because some people are different from us so we can pass haram judgement so easily. being tomboy or effeminate is never a choice. what most so-called heterosexual (i’m sure many in the islamic department don’t know the meaning of this because it not mentioned in quran or hadith)think and live with this thinking as it’s been passed on from generation to generation is that only us (the hetero) are right and doing the right thing as taught by islam. homosexuality is wrong and because the quran says so. the heterosexuals think that being tomboy or gay or effeminate is a choice, as if these group of people chose to be what they are like tomboy or effeminate. if we make an in-depth study, these groups didn’t chose to be what they are. they were born that way and have to suffer all kinds of humiliation by the so-called normal people. it’s like being born in the wrong body and the wrong sex (again i’m sure this argument is too much for the people in the islamic department to understand since this kind of thing is not written in quran or hadith)
now yoga - some form of exercise which is excellent in keeping oneself healthy if practiced the right way. it doesn’t need mantra or chanting but the correct movement will result in physical and mental health. Those who think this is a hindu rituals are just clueless and i feel so sorry for them for having a very unhappy life and no interest in anything at all but putting judgment on other people only. i’ve never heard of any grand muftis from other islamic countries issue any fatwa on yoga. congartulations malaysian majlis fatwa. you will be the first in the world to issue fatwa on yoga.
all these petty things are what Majlis fatwa, JAKIM or States Islamic Affairs Department are more concerned. No wonder muslims are so backward. They cannot see the big issues like corruption (which is more like a cancer in malaysian society), poverty which makes us lagging far behind the non-muslim countries, lack of education, mat rempits etc. These are big issues that are also national issues. These problems are mostly problems of majority malay muslims in this country which make them being left far behind from people of other religions in term of development. Can someone form majlis fatwa or jakim see these mammoth issues and issue fatwas on these.
take for example corruption. it is a national problem, a very big problem. It makes our country weak. it costs our country by as much as 3% in term of economic growth. it will make us a weak country and people become lazy. at the end the country will fall apart. where is majlis fatwa or Jakim? are you not going to declare jihad on the corrupors? i bet you won’t because it is not petty issue.
Poverty is another case. most muslims are living in rural area and poor. when people are poor, they become weak. they will always be lagging behind in everything - weak and under-developed. any islamic department to declare jihad to tackle poverty? it’s too big issue and i bet you won’t.
education? it’s a national problems as many young people drop out of school and have no skills at all to live adult life. some are due to poverty, some are plain lazy or no opportunity. education is the biggest thing that can mould a country. educated people will bring the country forward, the uneducated people will bring it backward. so JAKIM or majlis fatwa. act now with your fatwa. make it haram for the parents who don’t send their children to school. make it haram to government for not giving opportunity to its subjects good education. make it haram for parents who are too lazy to work and support their children’s education but don’t mind to have more babies. make it haram for parents to have more children but unable to take care of them.
oh well, this just an opinion of a muslim from different perspective. i just hope that someone (i’m sure no one, except perlis mufti) in the islamic department see things from many perspective, not just your perspective. this is an IT era. you can get a lot of information online if you don’t understand something. quran and hadith don’t have all the information you seek for |
| By Hindu, 11-02-08, 01:26 AM |
Universal DiscoveryAll discoveries and inventions by our fellow human beings is Universal and not franchised to any particular faith or religion. Please do not align it with ones faith or believe. As long as the teachings and practices helps one to live in happiness and peace, its enough, even if it means for a person to practice multiple disciplines from different religions. |
| By FUCKWA oops, 11-02-08, 03:04 AM |
YOGA my assMalaysia is turning into a assfucking country. These islamic fanatics are fucking everything up. Somebody needs to step up and take charge. Don’t sit on your hands, because if this don’t stop the shit is going to hit the fan. Then your guys are FUCKED. |
| By Stranger 2008, 11-02-08, 09:58 AM |
Govt, stop making fuckin commentsThis shows the mentality of the stupid & idiotic Malaysian Government..... All the BN Mp’s should be sent to year 1000BC....... This idiots don’t deserve to live in this 2008 or 21st century..... |
| By My self, 11-02-08, 06:51 AM |
Please respect our teaching of IslamThe majlis fatwa kebangssaan is not even come out with the decision yet but a lot of stupid people out there, assuming and say something bad. In Islam we are not talking about the good thing only but also the process of how to achive that good thing. For example, donating money or helping poor people is a good thing but if the the money they have is come from the “hasil judi” or “hasil rompakan”, then this is not allowed. Please stop discussing this especially for those who not even know what they are talking about or those who are non-muslim.. |
| By EscapedToEngland, 11-02-08, 01:43 PM |
Oh dear...I don’t know what’s more worrying: the newspaper report by a journalist or some of the comments being made on this forum by some of the Malay Muslim public. |
| By broken_angel, 11-02-08, 04:41 PM |
no titleyes, better 2 consider d issue of mat rempit than this issue..
yoga should not be banned! |
| By peace, 11-05-08, 06:30 PM |
There is only ONE TRUTH, man manipulate and presenting differentlyIndia is Cradle of knowledge for Man Kind
SO I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE A VERY LOVELY STATEMENT NEXT JAKIM WILL MOST LIKELY HAVE IMPOSE FATWA BAN ON THE FOLLOWING:
1. All Muslim should not use number '0' this is originated philosophy of Suniyam (Nothingness). There is indirect approach to accept the truth of universal creation. It may not suitable for Muslim.
2. Muslim shouldnât practice NLP
3. Muslim shouldnât use 'pi' formula.
4. Muslim shouldnât use 'Chess Game'.
5. Muslim shouldnât use Arithmetic and Geometric maths formulas.
6. Muslim shouldnât use medical knowledge and cannot be doctor. Because the entire human’s endocrine gland system well known and documented perfectly by Indian philosophy in various Vedas, which yet not discover into final detail by modern scientist.
7. Muslim shouldnât use curry to cook.
8. Muslim shouldnât cook/eat toosai, because it shapes like starting of 'AUM'
9. Muslim shouldnât R&D anything because everything link to ATOM=ANU which first founded and introduce by Indian Veda.
10. Everything copied/duplicated required modification and reducing it to hide the original. Its happen to all including to languages which copied from Tamil which only language have oldest and un-destroyed Literature/Dictionary in the world.
11. Muslim shouldnât use / do anything.
DETAILS:
All reference here by Sanskrit (Euro-Indo) language document if refer by Tamil Document as original Indian language and only language qualify 11/11 criteria for pure language then knowledge have trace back history of kumari kandam which dated back 15,000 years ago. World’s entire knowledge unfold from Indian Yogis breathe while in meditating. Proof being discover by latest researchers inside Indian Ocean.
Vedic Philosophy
The Vedas are the oldest written text on our planet today.
They date back to the beginning of Indian civilization and
are the earliest literary records of the human mind.
They have been passed through oral tradition for over
15,000 years, and first appeared
in written form between 2500 - 5,000 years ago.
Veda means âKnowledgeâ in Sanskrit which derived from Tamil Vetham.
The entire invention before and yet to come is origin from the source of Greatest Indian Siddhar, Yogi, Munivar’s writing which arise from the result of practicing the Yogaa & Meditation.
A few to list:
India invented the Number System. Zerowas invented by Aryabhatta. The place value system, the decimal system was developed inIndia in 100 BC.
Aryabhatta was the first to explain spherical shape, size ,diameter, rotation and correct speed of Earth in 499 AD.
The World’s first university was established in Takshila in 700 BC. Students from all over the World studied more than 60 subjects.
The University of Nalanda built in the 4th century was one of the greatest achievements of ancient India in the field of education.
Sanskrit is considered the mother of all higher languages but it has trace back to Tamil as oldest language. Sanskrit is the most precise, and therefore suitable language for computer software - a report in Forbes magazine, July 1987.
Ayurveda is the earliest school of medicine known to humans. Charaka, the father of medicine consolidated Ayurveda 2500 years ago.
Today Ayurveda is fast regaining its rightful place in civilization.
Christopher Columbus was attracted India’s wealth and was looking for route to India when he discovered the American continent by mistake.
The art of Navigation was born in the river Sindh 6000 years ago. The word âNavigationâ is derived from the Sanskrit word NAVGATIH. The word navy is also derived from Sanskrit 'Nou'.
In Siddhanta Siromani (Bhuvanakosam 6) Bhaskaracharya II described about gravity of earth about 400 years before Sir Isaac Newton. He also had some clear notions on differential calculus, and the Theory of Continued Fraction.
Madhavacharya discovered Taylor series of Sine and Cosine function about 250 years before Taylor.
Madhavacharya discovered Newton Power series.
Madhavacharya discovered Gregory Leibnitz series forthe Inverse Tangent about 280 years before Gregory.
Bhaskaracharya calculated the time taken by the earth to orbit the sun hundreds of years before the astronomer Smart. Time taken by earth to orbit the sun: (5th century) 365.258756484 days
Infinity was well known for ancient Indians. Bhaskaracharya II in Beejaganitha(stanza-20) has given clear explanation with examples for infinity
Theory of Continued Fraction was discovered by Bhaskaracharya II.
Indians discovered Arithmetic and Geometric progression. Arithmetic progression is explained in Yajurveda.
Govindaswamin discovered Newton Gauss Interpolation formula about 1800 years before Newton.
Vateswaracharya discovered Newton Gauss Backward Interpolation formula about 1000 years before Newton.
Parameswaracharya discovered Lhuilerâs formula about 400 years before Lhuiler.
Nilakanta discovered Newtonâs Infinite Geometric Progression convergent series.
Positive and Negative numbers and their calculations were explained first by Brahmagupta in his book Brahmasputa Siddhanta.
Aryabhatta also propounded the Heliocentric theory of gravitation, thus predating Copernicus by almost one thousand years.
The value of “pi” was first calculated by Boudhayana, and he explained the concept of what is known as the Pythagorean Theorem. He discovered this in the 6th century long before the European mathematicians. This was âvalidatedâ by British scholars in 1999.
Algebra, trigonometry and calculus came from India. Quadratic equations were propounded by Sridharacharya in the 11th century.
The largest numbers the Greeks and the Romans used were 106 whereas Hindus used numbers as big as 1053 with specific names as early as 5000 BC during the Vedic period. Even today, the largest used number is Tera: 10 power of 12.
Maharshi Sushruta is the father of surgery. 2600 years ago he and health scientists of his time conducted complicated surgeries like caesareans, cataract, artificial limbs, fractures, urinary stones and even plastic surgery.
Usage of anaesthesia was well known in ancient India. Over 125 surgical equipments were used.
Detailed knowledge of anatomy, physiology, aetiology, embryology, digestion, metabolism, genetics and immunity is also found in many texts.
When many cultures were only nomadic forest dwellers over 5000 years ago, Indians established Harappan culture in the Sindhu Valley Civilization.
RigVedas (1.50), a hymn addressed to the Sun, refers quite clearly that the Sun traverses 2,202 yojanas in half a nimesha. This is in fact refers to the speed of light.
The World’s First Granite Temple is the Brihadeswara temple at Tanjavur in Tamil Nadu. The shikhara is made from a single '80-tonne' piece of granite.
The world famous and priceless âKohinoorâ diamond, which is set in the Crown of the British monarch (Queen Victoria, and Elizabeth II), was acquired from India.
According to the Gemological Institute of America, up until 1896, India was the only source for diamonds to the world.
Chess (Shataranja or AshtaPada) was reportedly invented in India.
The game of snakes & ladders was created by the 13th century poet saint Gyandev. It was originally called 'Mokshapat.' The ladders in the game represented virtues and the snakes indicated vices.
India’s ancient achievements in Medical Science
Knowledge
Artificial Limb
Number of Chromosomes (23)
Combination of Male and Female
Analysis of Ears
Beginning of the Foetal
Parthenogenesis
Test Tube Babies ( from the ovum only)
Test Tube Babies ( from the sperm only)
Elongation of Life in confirmed Space Travel
Cell Division (in 3 layers)
Embryology
Micro-organisms
A material producing a disease can prevent or cure the disease in minute quantity
Developing Embyro in Vitro
Life in trees and plants
16 Functions of the Brain Eitereya
Definition of Sleep Prashna-Upanishad
Chromosomes
India’s ancient achievements in Physical Science
Knowledge
Velocity of Light
Trans-Saturnean Planets
Space Travel to another solar system
Gravitational Force (Prashnopanishad)
Ultraviolet Band
Infra-Red Band
Tachyons faster than light
Nuclear Energy
Black Holes
Embryology
Monsoon at Summer Solstice
Entry in South America by Aeroplanes
Phosphorescent Trident at the Bay of Pisco, Peru, S.America
Aeroplanes
Robot
Atom (Divisible) & (Indivisible)
The 4 kinetic ideas behind Hindu Vedic Spirituality (NLP)
Karma
Maya
Nirvana
Yoga
Most worlds curry base cooking originated from India.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO PROVIDE A VERY LOVELY STATEMENT NEXT JAKIM WILL MOST LIKELY HAVE IMPOSE FATWA BAN ON THE FOLLOWING:
1. All Muslim who use number '0' this is originated philosophy of Suniyam (Nothingness). There is indirect approach to accept the truth of universal creation. It may not suitable for Muslim.
2. Muslim shouldnât practice NLP
3. Muslim shouldnât use 'pi' formula.
4. Muslim shouldnât use 'Chess Game'.
5. Muslim shouldnât use Arithmetic and Geometric maths formulas.
6. Muslim shouldnât use medical knowledge and cannot be doctor. Because the entire human’s endocrine gland system well known and documented perfectly by Indian philosophy in various Vedas, which yet not discover into final detail by modern scientist.
7. Muslim shouldnât use curry to cook.
8. Muslim shouldnât cook/eat toosai, because it shapes like starting of 'AUM'
9. Muslim shouldnât R&D anything because everything link to ATOM=ANU which first founded and introduce by Indian Veda.
10. Everything copied/duplicated required modification and reducing it to hide the original. Its happen to all including to languages which copied from Tamil which only language have oldest and un-destroyed Literature/Dictionary in the world.
11. Muslim shouldnât use / do anything. |
| By NolongerMalaysian, 11-01-08, 11:55 PM |
Freedom to pick.People should be able to pick and choose what is beneficial to them.
I don’t practice Yoga but I know lifting the legs above my heart allows more blood to flow to the heart is beneficial. Slowing down the aging process which means a healthier lifestyle is a plus.
Why ban something that is beneficial but harmless? Leaders in our society should look into the the health and welfare of the people not otherwise. |
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