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    Just how many terrorists are there in Iraq?
    Malaysia Sun
    Saturday 21st April, 2007  


    President Bush says pulling U.S. troops out of Iraq prematurely would put Americans at greater risk of another terrorist attack. How true is that? Is Iraq overrun with terrorists, or is it overrun with Iraqis-turned-insurgents? (Click on photo for full story).
    President Bush says pulling U.S. troops out of Iraq prematurely would put Americans at greater risk of another terrorist attack.

    The president was speaking at a high school in Ohio on Thursday.

    Mr. Bush again sought to more directly connect the war in Iraq with security at home, saying leaving prematurely would result in violence spilling beyond Baghdad and beyond Iraq's borders to threaten Americans.

    "But I do believe it is risky to have an enemy that has attacked us before to not take the United States seriously for the long run," he said.

    The president's statements imply most of the violence being carried out in Iraq is at the hands of terrorists, and more specifically by al-Qaeda, or at least by foreign fighters.

    This is simply not true.

    The bulk of insurgents in Iraq are Iraqi.

    Al-Qaeda, it is common ground (with the exception of the U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney), had no presence in Iraq prior to the U.S.-led invasion in March 2003.

    The strength of al-Qaeda now is debatable.

    Irrespective, for the Bush claims to have validity, foreign fighters of any form would be targeting Americans. In the event this was the case, Bush could rightly continue his mantra, "We are fighting the terrorists in Iraq, so we don't have to fight them at home."

    However the small number of foreign fighters in Iraq is not targeting Americans, they are targeting Iraqis.

    Four weeks ago, in an interview on the U.S. Defense Department's Pentagon Channel, Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates said, "Most of the foreign fighters as I read the intelligence, many of the foreign fighters are, in fact, suicide bombers and they come across the border from Syria, perhaps several dozen a month and they are responsible for a lot of these attacks. I think most of the suicide bombers are those who go into marketplaces and are killing other Iraqis to tell you the truth. I think most of these, the irony is foreign fighters are coming into Iraq and killing Iraqis."

    Gates did go on to say, "Most of the attacks on our troops are the IEDs placed by al-Qaeda or the insurgency or the Jash al-Mahdi or snipers and that sort of thing. So the suicide bombers are mainly killing Iraqis."

    So it begs the question, is al-Qaeda in Iraq made up of Iraqis? If this were so, a case could be made that they are fighting the U.S. occupation, rather than America itself. Either way it is difficult to decipher any credence in the U.S. president's stance.

    Mr. Bush says al-Qaeda’s stated objective is to drive the United States out of Iraq in order to establish a safe haven. “They would need a safe haven from which to plot and plan and train to attack again,” he said.

    “They have an objective and that is to spread their ideology throughout the Middle East,” he added. “Our objective is to deny them safe haven, to prevent al-Qaeda from being able to do in Iraq that which they did in Afghanistan, which is where they trained thousands of young men to come and to eventually kill innocent people.”

    The statements imply, unless the president believes the al-Qaeda operation in Iraq is home-grown, that foreign fighters, principally al-Qaeda operatives, have swarmed to Iraq and set up operations there.

    The Gates interview puts pay to that.

    Also last week the Washington Post, in an article on the security situation in Baghdad said there had been 1,000 arrests since the new securty crackdown had begun. The arrests, according to the Post article, all involved Iraqis.

    The article went on to say that the latest arrests had taken the number of prisoners held in two American-run prisoners in Iraq, to 18,000. (The figure was up from 10,000 a year ago).

    Captain Phillip Valenti, public affairs officer for Task Force 134, the U.S. Military Police group in charge of prison operations, was quoted as saying "The intent is to detain individuals determined to be true threats to coalition forces, Iraqi security forces and stability in Iraq."

    Every day there are reports of the capture or killing of terrorists in Iraq.

    On Friday alone, in one press release distributed by the American Forces Press Service, it was reported that, "Coalition forces killed 10 terrorists and detained 42 in operations throughout Iraq today,"......"near Mahmudiyah, coalition forces detained eight suspected terrorists today,"......"Seven armed terrorists were killed after they fired upon coalition forces who were entering a building today. Forces on the scene detained 15 suspected terrorists who are allegedly tied to al-Qaeda in Iraq,"......"One armed terrorist was killed today when coalition forces entered a building in Baghdad to conduct an operation to disrupt the Baghdad car bomb network. Six suspected terrorists were detained,"......"Another operation in Baghdad netted two individuals with suspected ties to the Baghdad IED network. Near Mosul, coalition forces detained 10 suspected terrorists in two separate operations to disrupt the al-Qaeda network in northern Iraq."

    Lt. Col. Christopher Garver, Multinational Force Iraq spokesman was quoted in the American Forces Press Service article as saying, "Terrorists continue to endanger the Iraqi people and security forces by using explosives, and we will continue to disrupt their networks across the country."

    In the Washington Post article however Capt. Valenti is quoted as saying that of the 18,000 detainees in the American-run prisons in Iraq, only 250 are foreign fighters. That's a little over 1 per cent. So where have all the "terrorists" come from? Or are they all Iraqis?

    Is it a matter of America fighting terrorism in Iraq, or is it a matter of the Iraqi insurgency fighting the U.S. occupation? Or both?

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    Comments on this story

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    By Anonymous, 04-21-07, 03:43 AM

    Just how many terrorists are there in Iraq?

    I think it is a good point. The resistance in Iraq is continually painted as terrorists. I think the Bush administration likes us to believe Iraq has been taken over by terrorists and they are preparing attacks on America. This is all bullshit. The Iraqis just want America to go.
    By TI, 04-21-07, 04:20 AM

    There are literally tens of thousands of fighters...

    There have been thousands of fighters recruited to fight the US in Iraq and they are from Northern Africa and Southwestern corner of Asia. They are coming from as far away as Algeria and the Sudan as well as Pakistan and Afghanistan. The Muslim AlQuida(sp) connection is large and the roots extend all across the region. The foundation for the knowledge and teachings of AlQuida was Egypt, the power was in Afghanistan and Pakistan where Osama Bin Laden went to from Saudi Arabia. The original group of Bin Laden fighters were from the Russian/Afghanistan war. You can read about the Muslims fighting in Somalia. Some of these groups are also linked to AlQuaida. They are also training in Sudan. http://www.shabelle.net/news/english.htm http://www.aayaha.com/newsInEnglish.php Read about the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt who are now also tied in with AlQuaida. They are also responsible for bombings in North Africa. http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2007/841/eg5.htm
    By TI, 04-21-07, 05:04 AM

    Additional

    Regarding Sudan, there are training grounds for terrorists that go to the Mid East from Sudan. Regarding the assassination of President Anwar Sadat by Islamist extremists in 1981. The founders of AlQuaida in Egypt were responsible but at that time the group was not known as the AlQuida...but the very persons who wrote the manifesto for the AlQuaida were the party responsible. The Muslim Brotherhood is tied in with both groups and here they are: http://www.guardian.co.uk/egypt/story/0,,2038649,00.html
    By TI, 04-21-07, 05:10 AM

    Anwar Sadat kileld by AlQuaida leadership

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_Sadat /QUOTE/ A fatwa approving the assassination had been obtained from Omar Abdel-Rahman, a cleric later convicted in the U.S. for his role in the February 26, 1993 World Trade Center Bombing. Sadat was protected by four layers of security and the army parade should have been safe due to ammunition-seizure rules. However, the officers in charge of that procedure were on hajj to Mecca./QUOTE/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_Islamic_Jihad The tie in to the Muslim Brotherhood now in Egypt and exporting AlQuaida across North Africa and fighters to Iraq. So, just how many of these guys are there. LITERALLY TENS OF THOUSANDS AND IT IS NO JOKE. THEY ARE REAL.
    By Lori Price, www.legitgov.org, 04-21-07, 05:37 AM

    Bush is the most dangerous terrorist on earth.

    Dictator Bush and Cheney Halliburton need to be tried for treason, with all possible penalties for treason on the plate. Then, the Hague can have them, and try them for war crimes. Cheers, Lori R. Price Mgr., Citizens For Legitimate Government http://www.legitgov.org/
    By Anonymous, 04-22-07, 02:42 AM
    Lori Price should be tried for treason and trying to over throw the US government.
    By dpv, 04-22-07, 11:27 AM

    Veracity of this journal

    "This is simply not true. The bulk of insurgents in Iraq are Iraqi. The strength of al-Qaeda now is debatable." Could you cite the resources that verify this? I am not taking sides, but this kind of writing tells me not to visit this site any more. Obviously, Malaysia Sun is not a NEWSpaper — it is an opinion piece for the publisher.
    By Anonymous, 04-23-07, 10:03 AM

    Sources are there

    Just read the article. US Secretary of States Robert M Gates, Captain Phillip Valenti, public affairs officer for Task Force 134, and Lt. Col. Christopher Garver, Multinational Force Iraq spokesman. I think Capt. Valenti’s statement provides the best basis for the story and its assertions. He says that of the 18,000 terrorists/insurgents detained, only a little above 1% are foreign fighters. I think from that you have to assume the bulk of insurgents in Iraq are Iraqi, and the strength of al qaeda is debatable.
    By real , 05-13-07, 04:34 PM

    got you

    george and his scare tatics,to get are atention he quickly says alqaeda.theres allkinds of forces we are fighting.by the way who are we fighting.what country what people.first war ever we dont now who to fight.
    By redman, 10-25-08, 02:58 PM

    the war on iraq = occupaion

    terrorists in iraq = the sum of all american solders and other occupaion forces. the war on iraq = occupaion the peopole who is called terrorists=heroes defending their country.
    By redman, 10-25-08, 02:59 PM

    the war on iraq = occupaion

    terrorists in iraq = the sum of all american solders and other occupaion forces. the war on iraq = occupaion the peopole who is called terrorists=heroes defending their country.
    By redman, 10-25-08, 03:00 PM

    the war on iraq = occupaion

    terrorists in iraq = the sum of all american solders and other occupaion forces. the war on iraq = occupaion the peopole who is called terrorists=heroes defending their country.
    By redman, 10-25-08, 03:00 PM

    the war on iraq = occupaion

    terrorists in iraq = the sum of all american solders and other occupaion forces. the war on iraq = occupaion the peopole who is called terrorists=heroes defending their country.
    By Pontotoc Bill, 04-23-07, 04:15 PM

    Lori Price, [url:
    www.legitgov.org;24286]Dictator[/url] Bush and Cheney Halliburton need to be tried for treason, with all possible penalties for treason on the plate. Then, the Hague can have them, and try them for war crimes. Cheers, Lori R. Price Mgr., Citizens For Legitimate Government [URL]http://www.legitgov.org/[/URL]

    First, little girl, you must be able to PROVE and allegations you make. Let us see some proof that either one committed treason. Fact is, you cannot. All the allegations and lies I have seen cannot be proven to the point it would be admissible in a court of law. Try again, little one, and this time use reason and logic to guide your path.

    By Pontotoc Bill, 05-01-07, 03:44 PM

    Lori Price, [url:
    www.legitgov.org;24286]Dictator[/url] Bush and Cheney Halliburton need to be tried for treason, with all possible penalties for treason on the plate. Then, the Hague can have them, and try them for war crimes. Cheers, Lori R. Price Mgr., Citizens For Legitimate Government [URL]http://www.legitgov.org/[/URL]

    Lori Price, a person who will make all sorts of allegations but cannot back up a single one. Show the evidence for treason, little one. Remember, treason is defined within the US Constitution and cannot be changed to fit your warped world view of the looney left.

    By Pontotoc Bill, 05-01-07, 03:55 PM

    Lori Price, [url:
    www.legitgov.org;24286]Dictator[/url] Bush and Cheney Halliburton need to be tried for treason, with all possible penalties for treason on the plate. Then, the Hague can have them, and try them for war crimes. Cheers, Lori R. Price Mgr., Citizens For Legitimate Government [URL]http://www.legitgov.org/[/URL]

    Having looked at your web site, I wonder if you even KNOW what legitimate government is? There were so many lies, falsehoods, innuendo, etc., that it is absolutely worthless. Telling is your list of quotes from so many looney left whackos like Hugo Chavez and Cynthia McKinney. From what I saw, you and your site are nothing but a bunch of whinning losers from the looney left.

    By Anonymous, 04-22-07, 02:44 AM

    Iraqis, Human Shields according to Bush...

    Well If Bush is fighting in Iraq instead of fighting in the US, he is using innocent Iraqis as Shields! Better dead Iraqis than Americans according to the lil pUNDIT! qUITE a mAN for the uncle toms! Sorta like hiding behind mama’s skirt! But then if we look at all that has happened, bush’s latest lie is easily seen as just another lie. 'Fighting in Iraq is better than fighting hear in the US', In 2002 when bush was beating his war drum, it was “self defense” from the 'IMMINENT' Attack by Saddam! Well we have gone from the imminent to the now! and using Iraqis as pawns or shields. When bush started the most al-Qaeda bush could fined was maybe six! How many converts did bush make? How many US Military personnel have their hands full? Was it this morning or yesterday bush said,'its going better'. There a new baseball team in Michigan, bush being a baseball man, maybe should head over there and get a job! I think their name is the looney loons or something like that!
    By ashlee , 06-22-09, 02:27 PM

    parks

    parks are so much fun?! lol

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